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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Just when you thought it was over Reply with quote

lol would it really be that hard to figure it out


just go ask some kids on the play ground...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Just when you thought it was over Reply with quote

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"Students' records are confidential under federal law," said David Backus, a Lubbock attorney representing the district.


Figured it’d be something like that. I’d imagine Leach’s team could get a subpoena fairly easily though.

Btw, does anyone know what Tubbs salary ended up being and how that compared to what Leach was making when he was fired.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Just when you thought it was over Reply with quote

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Take it Frienship ISD is a private school?

I tend to agree with Ataglance.

As an AD, Leach comes with a brilliant offensive mind. But what if things don’t work out and you have to let him go? Will he go on a rampage trying to destroy your career as payback?


Most ADs would have handled things a bit differently with Leach.  Also from the looks of TTU's athletic program as a whole Gerald doesn't need ANY help destroying his career, he's done a fair job of it himself.

This is a lawsuit worth millions of dollars not to mention the fact that someone's character is on trial as well.  Is Leach damaged more by pursuing the lawsuit and risking being labeled as a "troublemaker" or not pursuing the lawsuit, losing millions and being labeled an "abusive coach"?  

Also, the title of the thread cracked me up...."just when you thought it was over"....uh, it's an ongoing lawsuit.....who exactly thought it was over?


All the rumors about new jobs, sheds, and a replacement hire should be over by now. You'd think the story well done and the only Tech news would be Tubbs saying he's going to win 4 championships, but nooooo.


So you didn't think that the status of the Leach v. TTU lawsuit would be reported on?  When they report the final verdict will that surprise you as well?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Just when you thought it was over Reply with quote

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bdub60 wrote (View Post):
Madcat_NU wrote (View Post):
Take it Frienship ISD is a private school?

I tend to agree with Ataglance.

As an AD, Leach comes with a brilliant offensive mind. But what if things don’t work out and you have to let him go? Will he go on a rampage trying to destroy your career as payback?


Most ADs would have handled things a bit differently with Leach.  Also from the looks of TTU's athletic program as a whole Gerald doesn't need ANY help destroying his career, he's done a fair job of it himself.

This is a lawsuit worth millions of dollars not to mention the fact that someone's character is on trial as well.  Is Leach damaged more by pursuing the lawsuit and risking being labeled as a "troublemaker" or not pursuing the lawsuit, losing millions and being labeled an "abusive coach"?  

Also, the title of the thread cracked me up...."just when you thought it was over"....uh, it's an ongoing lawsuit.....who exactly thought it was over?


All the rumors about new jobs, sheds, and a replacement hire should be over by now. You'd think the story well done and the only Tech news would be Tubbs saying he's going to win 4 championships, but nooooo.


So you didn't think that the status of the Leach v. TTU lawsuit would be reported on?  When they report the final verdict will that surprise you as well?


That should be a non story. Something reported in the Lubbock newspaper. I didn't expect more weird twists like this, but I guess I was being naive.




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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Just when you thought it was over Reply with quote

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Farmer1906 wrote (View Post):
bdub60 wrote (View Post):
Madcat_NU wrote (View Post):
Take it Frienship ISD is a private school?

I tend to agree with Ataglance.

As an AD, Leach comes with a brilliant offensive mind. But what if things don’t work out and you have to let him go? Will he go on a rampage trying to destroy your career as payback?


Most ADs would have handled things a bit differently with Leach.  Also from the looks of TTU's athletic program as a whole Gerald doesn't need ANY help destroying his career, he's done a fair job of it himself.

This is a lawsuit worth millions of dollars not to mention the fact that someone's character is on trial as well.  Is Leach damaged more by pursuing the lawsuit and risking being labeled as a "troublemaker" or not pursuing the lawsuit, losing millions and being labeled an "abusive coach"?  

Also, the title of the thread cracked me up...."just when you thought it was over"....uh, it's an ongoing lawsuit.....who exactly thought it was over?


All the rumors about new jobs, sheds, and a replacement hire should be over by now. You'd think the story well done and the only Tech news would be Tubbs saying he's going to win 4 championships, but nooooo.


So you didn't think that the status of the Leach v. TTU lawsuit would be reported on?  When they report the final verdict will that surprise you as well?


That should be a non story. Something reported in the Lubbock newspaper. I didn't expect more weird twists like this, but I guess I was being naive.


I don't know why you think it is weird.  It sounds pretty smart to me.  If Tubs had his kids enrolled in school in Lubbock before Leach was officially fired then that might help Leach's case.  I doubt it turns out that way but it will definitely help Leach's case if it does.  This is part of a story that dominated major media outlets for weeks when Leach was suspended and eventually fired.  Leach is an interesting personality that people who aren't even TTU fans want to hear about.  Add to that that we're in the middle of offseason and I'm going to guess that we'll get every detail of this case.  Doesn't surprise me at all.

I think Leach is supposed to be deposed on Friday so you might have another "non story" that you will need to create a thread about.

Irony anyone?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Just when you thought it was over Reply with quote

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Farmer1906 wrote (View Post):
bdub60 wrote (View Post):
Farmer1906 wrote (View Post):
bdub60 wrote (View Post):
Madcat_NU wrote (View Post):
Take it Frienship ISD is a private school?

I tend to agree with Ataglance.

As an AD, Leach comes with a brilliant offensive mind. But what if things don’t work out and you have to let him go? Will he go on a rampage trying to destroy your career as payback?


Most ADs would have handled things a bit differently with Leach.  Also from the looks of TTU's athletic program as a whole Gerald doesn't need ANY help destroying his career, he's done a fair job of it himself.

This is a lawsuit worth millions of dollars not to mention the fact that someone's character is on trial as well.  Is Leach damaged more by pursuing the lawsuit and risking being labeled as a "troublemaker" or not pursuing the lawsuit, losing millions and being labeled an "abusive coach"?  

Also, the title of the thread cracked me up...."just when you thought it was over"....uh, it's an ongoing lawsuit.....who exactly thought it was over?


All the rumors about new jobs, sheds, and a replacement hire should be over by now. You'd think the story well done and the only Tech news would be Tubbs saying he's going to win 4 championships, but nooooo.


So you didn't think that the status of the Leach v. TTU lawsuit would be reported on?  When they report the final verdict will that surprise you as well?


That should be a non story. Something reported in the Lubbock newspaper. I didn't expect more weird twists like this, but I guess I was being naive.


I don't know why you think it is weird.  It sounds pretty smart to me.  If Tubs had his kids enrolled in school in Lubbock before Leach was officially fired then that might help Leach's case.  I doubt it turns out that way but it will definitely help Leach's case if it does.  This is part of a story that dominated major media outlets for weeks when Leach was suspended and eventually fired.  Leach is an interesting personality that people who aren't even TTU fans want to hear about.  Add to that that we're in the middle of offseason and I'm going to guess that we'll get every detail of this case.  Doesn't surprise me at all.

I think Leach is supposed to be deposed on Friday so you might have another "non story" that you will need to create a thread about.

Irony anyone?


It is weird and smart. They aren't mutually exclusive. This was/is interesting to me that he'd go looking for records about Tubb's kids. A disposition isn't IMO. No irony, your just taking it wrong and trying argue with me at every turn. Its been your MO for a long time on here.




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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Just when you thought it was over Reply with quote

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If they are a public institution, don't they have to make their records available to the public?





for public matters in which there is a vested public interest.   what school signs who is definitely not one of those


I didn’t think public institutions got to decide what inquiries were justifiable or not. If you were a public institution you had to be transparent in your operations, end of story.

I could see them trying to claim a student’s enrollment history is private, just as his or her grades would be. But that would seem to be a weak argument if they’ve provided such information in the past.





absolutely incorrect.  I'm telling you, there is information that is not subject to public information and then there is information that is within every school. It just depends on the level of public interest.  Where kids go to school does not become a vested public interest until they are given public scholarship money, until then it is a private matter not subject to disclosure unless upon the own volition of the university.

that makes sense because when do you ever get official university press releases about recruiting classes?  not until after national signing day.  And all others such as rivals or texags or whatever, have a disclosure at the bottom of their website and information saying they are not a university affiliate.....thus there is no implied breach of warranty or libel and slander arguments because they have fully disclosed their existing affiliates (or lack thereof)


and you said "if they've provided such information in the past"  under normal circumstances that would be a something that would go against them.  but they are actually a lot more careful about what they disclose than we think....most of the time the information you read is hearsay or word of mouth from a coach, and not really an official university statement.  there's a difference. it's not a course of dealing for inconsistent disclosures like that


and I don't know this because i'm in law school, i know it because I worked at the TAMU Legal Office for 3 years.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Just when you thought it was over Reply with quote

BY THE WAY:  for anyone interested (dub and umblahh probably you guys) i Looked up the Trial and proceedings for the Leach case.  

the causes of action Leach is alleging:

A.  Breach of Contract - Wrongful Termination
among other things, suspending him without any process or contractual basis, failing to give Plaintiff notice as required under his contract and a reasonable opportunity to cure, and allegedly terminating him for cause when no good cause exists. Specifically, Defendant terminated Leach without providing him with a contractually required notice of conduct Defendant claimed violated the contract terms and at least 10 days to cure any alleged breach, which is also specifically set forth in the contract.

B. Defamation - that Tech made both slanderous and libelous statements including but not limited to:
a) that Mike Leach was terminated for cause;

b) that Leach was insubordinate and refused to cooperate and was responsible for his contract being terminated for cause;

c) that Plaintiff Leach's termination was precipitated by his treatment of a player diagnosed with a concussion and he placed that player at risk of additional injury.

d) that Plaintiff Leach's termination was solely Leach's fault.

These false statements were made intentionally and designed to injure Mike Leach's reputation as a coach, injure him in his occupation, and expose him to financial harm. Plaintiff has suffered damages in excess of the jurisdictional limits of this Court for which he now sues.


C.  Fraud In the Inducement
Leach wouldn't have entered into the contract but for the reasonable expectations from representations exhibited in the terms of the contract that he would not be deprived of process in the face allegations of misconduct. Tech's rep. communications with one another during contract negotiations with Leach and their actions surrounding his wrongful termination support the conclusion that Texas Tech, through its Board of Regents, negotiated Leach's contract in bad faith and without any intent to perform it. By way of example, internal emails among the Chancellor and a booster at the time negotiations between Leach and the Chancellor were on-going strongly imply an intent not to perform this contract at the time of its execution.

Leach also says that he was assured that the university would honor the contract (all contract terms)

Defendant knew or should have known the representations were made recklessly or false and that Plaintiff would rely on them in his decision making (INDUCEMENT ELEMENTS)


D. Negligent Misrepresentation

Defendant represented to Mike leach that:
1. he would not be terminated for cause without good cause shown
2. that Defendant would honor all contract terms including his right to cure an alleged violation. Defendant's statements were made negligently without due care
3. Leach shows actual damages of salary and compensation among other things


E. Texas Whistleblower Act
at all times relevant to this lawsuit mike leach was a public employee hired by Texas Tech University as its head football coach. Plaintiff had a written contract of employment

Plaintiff further complained that there existed no legal grounds for the suspension and Defendant was acting without process or any contractual basis.



F. Constitutional Due Course of Law Violation

that tech violated his due process rights under the texas constitution.  He was deprived of his property rights under the contract and the due course of law which is entitled under the constitution


G. Constitutional Taking

because leach has vested property in his employment contract, Tech was required to observe due course of law before depriving Mike leach of that interest.  And Tech failed to do so.

H. Waiver of Sovereign Immunity

Leach denies that Tech is entitled to immunity from the suit because the defendant has waived such immunity based on it's conduct.  (he cites a Texas Southern Case as a valid law



DAMAGES SOUGHT


Obviously Leach is going to seek Expectation Damages, these are purely economic and only compensate him for the loss of the contract value.

he also seeks punitive damages due to the intentional , abusive and reckless conduct of the defendant.  these damages are meant to PUNISH an entity.....not just compensate Coach Leach.  


Mike leach demands a jury trial.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Just when you thought it was over Reply with quote

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Madcat_NU wrote (View Post):
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If they are a public institution, don't they have to make their records available to the public?





for public matters in which there is a vested public interest.   what school signs who is definitely not one of those


I didn’t think public institutions got to decide what inquiries were justifiable or not. If you were a public institution you had to be transparent in your operations, end of story.

I could see them trying to claim a student’s enrollment history is private, just as his or her grades would be. But that would seem to be a weak argument if they’ve provided such information in the past.





absolutely incorrect.  I'm telling you, there is information that is not subject to public information and then there is information that is within every school. It just depends on the level of public interest.  Where kids go to school does not become a vested public interest until they are given public scholarship money, until then it is a private matter not subject to disclosure unless upon the own volition of the university.

that makes sense because when do you ever get official university press releases about recruiting classes?  not until after national signing day.  And all others such as rivals or texags or whatever, have a disclosure at the bottom of their website and information saying they are not a university affiliate.....thus there is no implied breach of warranty or libel and slander arguments because they have fully disclosed their existing affiliates (or lack thereof)


and you said "if they've provided such information in the past"  under normal circumstances that would be a something that would go against them.  but they are actually a lot more careful about what they disclose than we think....most of the time the information you read is hearsay or word of mouth from a coach, and not really an official university statement.  there's a difference. it's not a course of dealing for inconsistent disclosures like that


and I don't know this because i'm in law school, i know it because I worked at the TAMU Legal Office for 3 years.


Being given public money would make sense. What i was saying is it wouldn't be right for the school to refuse giving the information to Jack, but when Susie asks they turn everything over. There needs to be something other than the school's opinion of what is important enough.

It sounds like we are actually in agreement.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Just when you thought it was over Reply with quote

Farmer1906 wrote (View Post):
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Farmer1906 wrote (View Post):
bdub60 wrote (View Post):
Farmer1906 wrote (View Post):
bdub60 wrote (View Post):
Madcat_NU wrote (View Post):
Take it Frienship ISD is a private school?

I tend to agree with Ataglance.

As an AD, Leach comes with a brilliant offensive mind. But what if things don’t work out and you have to let him go? Will he go on a rampage trying to destroy your career as payback?


Most ADs would have handled things a bit differently with Leach.  Also from the looks of TTU's athletic program as a whole Gerald doesn't need ANY help destroying his career, he's done a fair job of it himself.

This is a lawsuit worth millions of dollars not to mention the fact that someone's character is on trial as well.  Is Leach damaged more by pursuing the lawsuit and risking being labeled as a "troublemaker" or not pursuing the lawsuit, losing millions and being labeled an "abusive coach"?  

Also, the title of the thread cracked me up...."just when you thought it was over"....uh, it's an ongoing lawsuit.....who exactly thought it was over?


All the rumors about new jobs, sheds, and a replacement hire should be over by now. You'd think the story well done and the only Tech news would be Tubbs saying he's going to win 4 championships, but nooooo.


So you didn't think that the status of the Leach v. TTU lawsuit would be reported on?  When they report the final verdict will that surprise you as well?


That should be a non story. Something reported in the Lubbock newspaper. I didn't expect more weird twists like this, but I guess I was being naive.


I don't know why you think it is weird.  It sounds pretty smart to me.  If Tubs had his kids enrolled in school in Lubbock before Leach was officially fired then that might help Leach's case.  I doubt it turns out that way but it will definitely help Leach's case if it does.  This is part of a story that dominated major media outlets for weeks when Leach was suspended and eventually fired.  Leach is an interesting personality that people who aren't even TTU fans want to hear about.  Add to that that we're in the middle of offseason and I'm going to guess that we'll get every detail of this case.  Doesn't surprise me at all.

I think Leach is supposed to be deposed on Friday so you might have another "non story" that you will need to create a thread about.

Irony anyone?


It is weird and smart. They aren't mutually exclusive. This was/is interesting to me that he'd go looking for records about Tubb's kids. A disposition isn't IMO. No irony, your just taking it wrong and trying argue with me at every turn. Its been your MO for a long time on here.


Don't be so defensive Farmer.  I haven't argued with you in I don't know how long and have responded to many of your posts just like any others but the second I do disagree with something you post you get your panties in a wad about it.  Chill out.  I can't help the sarcasm, it's just part of my engaging personality.  We can't both be right all the time so just get used to being wrong.  J/K  Wink

I just didn't see what was "weird" about this.  It's just evidence gathering.  It would be the same if they researched when Tubs contacted a real estate agent or something like that.  The fact that you call this a "non story" then say it's "interesting" is contradictory.  It's a story because it's interesting to people.  I was just pointing it out.  Leach's deposition (his "disposition" under normal circumstances is way out there I can't imagine what it's like right now) could be the weirdest part of this entire trial.  Remember who we're talking about here.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Just when you thought it was over Reply with quote

Farmer1906 wrote (View Post):
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Farmer1906 wrote (View Post):
bdub60 wrote (View Post):
Farmer1906 wrote (View Post):
bdub60 wrote (View Post):
Madcat_NU wrote (View Post):
Take it Frienship ISD is a private school?

I tend to agree with Ataglance.

As an AD, Leach comes with a brilliant offensive mind. But what if things don’t work out and you have to let him go? Will he go on a rampage trying to destroy your career as payback?


Most ADs would have handled things a bit differently with Leach.  Also from the looks of TTU's athletic program as a whole Gerald doesn't need ANY help destroying his career, he's done a fair job of it himself.

This is a lawsuit worth millions of dollars not to mention the fact that someone's character is on trial as well.  Is Leach damaged more by pursuing the lawsuit and risking being labeled as a "troublemaker" or not pursuing the lawsuit, losing millions and being labeled an "abusive coach"?  

Also, the title of the thread cracked me up...."just when you thought it was over"....uh, it's an ongoing lawsuit.....who exactly thought it was over?


All the rumors about new jobs, sheds, and a replacement hire should be over by now. You'd think the story well done and the only Tech news would be Tubbs saying he's going to win 4 championships, but nooooo.


So you didn't think that the status of the Leach v. TTU lawsuit would be reported on?  When they report the final verdict will that surprise you as well?


That should be a non story. Something reported in the Lubbock newspaper. I didn't expect more weird twists like this, but I guess I was being naive.


I don't know why you think it is weird.  It sounds pretty smart to me.  If Tubs had his kids enrolled in school in Lubbock before Leach was officially fired then that might help Leach's case.  I doubt it turns out that way but it will definitely help Leach's case if it does.  This is part of a story that dominated major media outlets for weeks when Leach was suspended and eventually fired.  Leach is an interesting personality that people who aren't even TTU fans want to hear about.  Add to that that we're in the middle of offseason and I'm going to guess that we'll get every detail of this case.  Doesn't surprise me at all.

I think Leach is supposed to be deposed on Friday so you might have another "non story" that you will need to create a thread about.

Irony anyone?


It is weird and smart. They aren't mutually exclusive. This was/is interesting to me that he'd go looking for records about Tubb's kids. A disposition isn't IMO. No irony, your just taking it wrong and trying argue with me at every turn. Its been your MO for a long time on here.




well courts have to make objective rulings on people's subjective intents.  if leach can use extrinsic evidence (such as Tubby talking to players) then it would show TTU's intent to breach the contract, and it would be reliable manifestations of a subjective intent to further Leach's claim.  

so any evidence that TTU was moving on before the contract was even terminated, is evidence of bad faith.  Which will prove his breach of contract claim, his parol evidence interpretation on the breach claim of subsequent affirmations and agreements that he would have a job, and as well the fraud claim.

he's got a very good case in reality.  But he's probably going to lose on appeal....or settle for a lesser amount.  I'm kinda surprised that this even made it to trial, it's a real indication of how much leach and TTU hate each other, because this should have never even made it to trial......most people would have settled a long time ago and kept it out of the papers.

the whole thing is stupid.  Get him paid, and quit wasting bad publicity.  This is the WORST kind of publicity because it makes coaches think twice about dealing with this particular administration


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Just when you thought it was over Reply with quote

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Take it Frienship ISD is a private school?

I tend to agree with Ataglance.

As an AD, Leach comes with a brilliant offensive mind. But what if things don’t work out and you have to let him go? Will he go on a rampage trying to destroy your career as payback?


Most ADs would have handled things a bit differently with Leach.  Also from the looks of TTU's athletic program as a whole Gerald doesn't need ANY help destroying his career, he's done a fair job of it himself.

This is a lawsuit worth millions of dollars not to mention the fact that someone's character is on trial as well.  Is Leach damaged more by pursuing the lawsuit and risking being labeled as a "troublemaker" or not pursuing the lawsuit, losing millions and being labeled an "abusive coach"?  

Also, the title of the thread cracked me up...."just when you thought it was over"....uh, it's an ongoing lawsuit.....who exactly thought it was over?


All the rumors about new jobs, sheds, and a replacement hire should be over by now. You'd think the story well done and the only Tech news would be Tubbs saying he's going to win 4 championships, but nooooo.


So you didn't think that the status of the Leach v. TTU lawsuit would be reported on?  When they report the final verdict will that surprise you as well?


That should be a non story. Something reported in the Lubbock newspaper. I didn't expect more weird twists like this, but I guess I was being naive.


I don't know why you think it is weird.  It sounds pretty smart to me.  If Tubs had his kids enrolled in school in Lubbock before Leach was officially fired then that might help Leach's case.  I doubt it turns out that way but it will definitely help Leach's case if it does.  This is part of a story that dominated major media outlets for weeks when Leach was suspended and eventually fired.  Leach is an interesting personality that people who aren't even TTU fans want to hear about.  Add to that that we're in the middle of offseason and I'm going to guess that we'll get every detail of this case.  Doesn't surprise me at all.

I think Leach is supposed to be deposed on Friday so you might have another "non story" that you will need to create a thread about.

Irony anyone?


It is weird and smart. They aren't mutually exclusive. This was/is interesting to me that he'd go looking for records about Tubb's kids. A disposition isn't IMO. No irony, your just taking it wrong and trying argue with me at every turn. Its been your MO for a long time on here.




well courts have to make objective rulings on people's subjective intents.  if leach can use extrinsic evidence (such as Tubby talking to players) then it would show TTU's intent to breach the contract, and it would be reliable manifestations of a subjective intent to further Leach's claim.  

so any evidence that TTU was moving on before the contract was even terminated, is evidence of bad faith.  Which will prove his breach of contract claim, his parol evidence interpretation on the breach claim of subsequent affirmations and agreements that he would have a job, and as well the fraud claim.

he's got a very good case in reality.  But he's probably going to lose on appeal....or settle for a lesser amount.  I'm kinda surprised that this even made it to trial, it's a real indication of how much leach and TTU hate each other, because this should have never even made it to trial......most people would have settled a long time ago and kept it out of the papers.

the whole thing is stupid.  Get him paid, and quit wasting bad publicity.  This is the WORST kind of publicity because it makes coaches think twice about dealing with this particular administration


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Take it Frienship ISD is a private school?

I tend to agree with Ataglance.

As an AD, Leach comes with a brilliant offensive mind. But what if things don’t work out and you have to let him go? Will he go on a rampage trying to destroy your career as payback?


Most ADs would have handled things a bit differently with Leach.  Also from the looks of TTU's athletic program as a whole Gerald doesn't need ANY help destroying his career, he's done a fair job of it himself.

This is a lawsuit worth millions of dollars not to mention the fact that someone's character is on trial as well.  Is Leach damaged more by pursuing the lawsuit and risking being labeled as a "troublemaker" or not pursuing the lawsuit, losing millions and being labeled an "abusive coach"?  

Also, the title of the thread cracked me up...."just when you thought it was over"....uh, it's an ongoing lawsuit.....who exactly thought it was over?


All the rumors about new jobs, sheds, and a replacement hire should be over by now. You'd think the story well done and the only Tech news would be Tubbs saying he's going to win 4 championships, but nooooo.


So you didn't think that the status of the Leach v. TTU lawsuit would be reported on?  When they report the final verdict will that surprise you as well?


That should be a non story. Something reported in the Lubbock newspaper. I didn't expect more weird twists like this, but I guess I was being naive.


I don't know why you think it is weird.  It sounds pretty smart to me.  If Tubs had his kids enrolled in school in Lubbock before Leach was officially fired then that might help Leach's case.  I doubt it turns out that way but it will definitely help Leach's case if it does.  This is part of a story that dominated major media outlets for weeks when Leach was suspended and eventually fired.  Leach is an interesting personality that people who aren't even TTU fans want to hear about.  Add to that that we're in the middle of offseason and I'm going to guess that we'll get every detail of this case.  Doesn't surprise me at all.

I think Leach is supposed to be deposed on Friday so you might have another "non story" that you will need to create a thread about.

Irony anyone?


It is weird and smart. They aren't mutually exclusive. This was/is interesting to me that he'd go looking for records about Tubb's kids. A disposition isn't IMO. No irony, your just taking it wrong and trying argue with me at every turn. Its been your MO for a long time on here.




well courts have to make objective rulings on people's subjective intents.  if leach can use extrinsic evidence (such as Tubby talking to players) then it would show TTU's intent to breach the contract, and it would be reliable manifestations of a subjective intent to further Leach's claim.  

so any evidence that TTU was moving on before the contract was even terminated, is evidence of bad faith.  Which will prove his breach of contract claim, his parol evidence interpretation on the breach claim of subsequent affirmations and agreements that he would have a job, and as well the fraud claim.

he's got a very good case in reality.  But he's probably going to lose on appeal....or settle for a lesser amount.  I'm kinda surprised that this even made it to trial, it's a real indication of how much leach and TTU hate each other, because this should have never even made it to trial......most people would have settled a long time ago and kept it out of the papers.

the whole thing is stupid.  Get him paid, and quit wasting bad publicity.  This is the WORST kind of publicity because it makes coaches think twice about dealing with this particular administration


Less big words.......more pictures.  What the hell happened to you?

Laughing




jesus H christ i've changed for the worst.  I hereby declare from this day forward for every serious post I make, i must post 10 LOL CATS and 5 XIBIT AND TOMMY LEE JONES IMPLIED FACEPALMS.  

by the way, BDump.....i meant to add a disclosure clause in my previous post that read as follows:

** By the way, I don't support that dooosh stupid head BDump or think he's ever had an intelligent thought in his entire life, so this post is in no way alluding to my concurrence with his arguments.   Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil

at my typical posting rate, I should be able to post a serious post sometime on sunday.  I know you guys will be highly anticipating that magical moment when it does happen  Laughing



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so any evidence that TTU was moving on before the contract was even terminated, is evidence of bad faith.



I’m not sure I agree with this. The school might be able to make the argument that waiting to do anything would put them in a very bad situation if Leach were indeed fired. Similar to what happened with Tennessee – due to the timing of Kiffin’s departure, many options were no longer available to them. Exploring other coaching options while the investigation was on going was a way to protect the school just in case something happened.

The way I interpret Leach asking for enrollment records, he wants to show that he wasn’t fired until after Tubbs and TTU came to an arrangement. At that point, TTU needed to fire him and he could make the arguement that they used the incident as an excuse to do so. This would definitely make for a strong arguement, but i think TTU may be able to explain away SOME amount of a coaching search.
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so any evidence that TTU was moving on before the contract was even terminated, is evidence of bad faith.



I’m not sure I agree with this. The school might be able to make the argument that waiting to do anything would put them in a very bad situation if Leach were indeed fired. Similar to what happened with Tennessee – due to the timing of Kiffin’s departure, many options were no longer available to them. Exploring other coaching options while the investigation was on going was a way to protect the school just in case something happened.

The way I interpret Leach asking for enrollment records, he wants to show that he wasn’t fired until after Tubbs and TTU came to an arrangement. At that point, TTU needed to fire him and he could make the arguement that they used the incident as an excuse to do so. This would definitely make for a strong arguement, but i think TTU may be able to explain away SOME amount of a coaching search.



great point honestly.  If I were doing a breach of contract essay on my final, our two arguments combined would be the "A" analysis for this problem.  And you're absolutely right, but so am I.  These are literally just the two arguments that I know leach has made and ttu has made, as I read the trial brief just to see what they were trying to do.  The arguments are made, now the court has to determine who is right, nothing more too it.

it will surely hinge on HOW MUCH bad faith TTU involved their selves in that can objectively be concluded.  Underlying every contract is an implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing.  This rule is VERY prominent in texas, as we are a big business state.  

I say leach fails, but TTU loses in the long run because like i said before, there are external issues to a trial like this.  It shows other people they don't want to associate with the school in a professional sense.


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